Curse

Phoenix Ex · Sep 20, 2006, 06:08 PM // 18:08

I currently uses only green/collector's item, and it doesn't put me at a disadvantage at all compare to all those people with 15>50 Fellblade and other junk.

So what if casual players can't afford whatever 100k+ecto weapon they want?
They have GREENS for 20k or so, and if they don't even have that, they have COLLECTOR'S weapon which cost less than 2k and the mods can be easily obtained by yourself.

The only reason I find that people are constantly whining about gold weapons' price is: Jealousy. They don't want other people to have a flashier weapon that's possibly be even weaker than the collector's one.

moriz · Sep 20, 2006, 06:18 PM // 18:18

one word for the complainers: adapt

oh, and another two words: start selling

sell your collection. make a boatload of money. farm for those nice inherit mods. sell them for more money.

with this change, the market will become more diverse. instead of relying exclusively on rare skins with nice mods, the market will expand to include many things, which is good for farming and pve.

supaet · Sep 20, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

relax people, I don't know how they going to implement it yet. But 15^50 mods will be bad for the game. I'm speaking for poor casual pvers. Think about it, if you really want a 100k+xx ecto item, work hard and get it. Think about how much you feel when your character holding a weapon that you worked for. It has value of 100k+xx ecto. You just made 15k. but suddenly, that's enough for you to buy the item. You bought it. What will you think? "yah...I got the item that I dreamed for 15k" "it's so cheap now, everyone can get it for 15k" "this skin is so cool, everyone who have 15k can buy it" "i'm wielding xxx, the other dude: "that's only worth 15k, so what, I have a ton"

Now, would you still want it to be 15k? when something decrease in value, you want it less, and when you get it, you're not as happy. Anet please, dont make poor people like me feel bad, thank you

arcanemacabre · Sep 20, 2006, 06:23 PM // 18:23

The last thread about this subject was closed on the basis of it being an argument/discussion about a feature we don't even know how it will work. I suspect this will be closed soon enough for the same reason.

Best path to take: Wait and see approach. If you plan on quitting if this doesn't work to your wealthy nature, then you should probably wait to see how it works before purchasing. Simple as that, really.

Loviatar · Sep 20, 2006, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by supaet

relax people, I don't know how they going to implement it yet. But 15^50 mods will be bad for the game. I'm speaking for poor casual pvers. Think about it, if you really want a 100k+xx ecto item, work hard and get it.

maybe they have a real life that does not give them the option to spend that much time but still like the looks of it

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Now, would you still want it to be 15k? when something decrease in value, you want it less, and when you get it, you're not as happy. Anet please, dont make poor people like me feel bad, thank you

biggest crock of...........yet but good for a laugh

you are only being told the nice nurse is going to give you a shot and you are yelling

wait til she says drop em and sticks you

4thVariety · Sep 20, 2006, 06:41 PM // 18:41

imho, the game will diversify because your skin of choice is no longer totally out of reach. we will see more chestrunning to obtain perfect inscriptions.
ultra-hig priced items will loose their value, but on the low end prices will soar.
req.7 will be the new must-have.

hopefully staffs will be upgradeable as well. casters would really be glad to finnaly be able to get a decent raven-staff or rare skin staff they can upgrade.

UndeadRoadkill · Sep 20, 2006, 07:02 PM // 19:02

I think this is great, I'm looking forward to being able to get a skin I like without worrying about if I can get one with the right inherent mod.

I just wish they would have implemented all this before my perfect fortitude pommel sword salvaged into a poison hilt.

Dante the Warlord · Sep 20, 2006, 07:09 PM // 19:09

Three questions:

1. Will they be able to be used on Green unique items?

2. Will they be able to be used on offhands?

3. Does the original weapon HAVE to have an inherent mod (any inherent mod)?

Knightsaber Sith · Sep 20, 2006, 07:13 PM // 19:13

I'd have to say no to greens. Can't apply regular mods to them; why would inscriptions work.

DeathByAmor · Sep 20, 2006, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by 4thVariety

imho, the game will diversify because your skin of choice is no longer totally out of reach. we will see more chestrunning to obtain perfect inscriptions.
ultra-hig priced items will loose their value, but on the low end prices will soar.
req.7 will be the new must-have.

hopefully staffs will be upgradeable as well. casters would really be glad to finnaly be able to get a decent raven-staff or rare skin staff they can upgrade.

I completely agree with you. This is exactly what will happen. Req 7 items are going to be "teh uberness". Thankfully I own a few of those

supaet · Sep 20, 2006, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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maybe they have a real life that does not give them the option to spend that much time but still like the looks of it

They will like the look less if it's cheaper. they will like the look less if everyone has it. Everyone has a real life. but samething applies in game, you have better thrill during the process of obtaining the item of your dream than actually obtaining it. I have a few nice items. I say that 15^50 is bad for the game is not because that I am worry about MY items decrease in value. It's because that ALL items will decrease in value. All those that do not have 100k+ xx ectos please read, if you can buy the same item for 15k, YOU WILL NEVER have the thrill of getting a perfect item, or earning your 100k+ xx ecto. You will never have the fun of finding your first barrell of gold. That is bad for the game.

Amity and Truth · Sep 20, 2006, 07:18 PM // 19:18

Well...
Maybe A-Net is somewhat aiming at alienating those with millions of money. While i have plenty of money to spend and quite a few rare items on my characters (more than i ever need) i agree to this change. Why? Simply because this doesn't hurt the economy but moreover puts it back into the place where it belongs.
It will finally enable us to use the Tradesystem with less danger of being scammed or the constant back and forth due to current ecto pricing. When i first hit the 100 Plat Maximum on trades i was somewhat buffled as i thought that to be the absolute maximum. But i was wrong, people quickly went above this by using a replacement currency (ecto, dye vials etc).
However once an economy has to resort to a secondary currency to maintain itself, it becomse utterly flawed and unbalanced. This was allowed to go on for quite some time until A-Net made several changes and improvements to the Tradesystem, slowly but steadily fixing the economy back to a point where it belongs - in the sub 100 Platinum Area.
This will of course alienate some of the high rollers but it will also motivate casual players. A well calculated risk. If a high rollers leaves, he takes (often) his wealth along with him. Now there is 1.600.000 Platinum less in the economy, even more due to the secondary currency Ecto. This as sad as it is true, also helps the economy as some of the insane Money amounts leave the game.

|pyro| · Sep 20, 2006, 07:25 PM // 19:25

To lower the cost of golds thay add pvp unlock thingy, greens and now this :P, to lower the cost of abs, runes they increase drop rate and nerf it later, what next, black dye and ectos shards drop increase?

To admint to you, I prefer prices being a bit higher, you can always go with collector / green version, now the only thing that will seperate the elite from crowds is FoW armor, but usaly poor ppl will say we eBay-ed it, so its losing its stats symbol.

The Herbalizer · Sep 20, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28

LOL. Im not worried in the slightest any more. Im still looking for a 15% -5 Energy Crystalline Sword as im so confident I wont be affected. I dont see any Beta Testers or whatever they are selling all their collections worth hundreds of ecto. Surely if they were to lose hundreds of ecto they would sell their stuff? It will most probably apply to Nightfall only items and even then maybe only certain skins.

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Originally Posted by SpeedyKQ

Only skin and requirement will matter. And I doubt any skin will be rare enough to command huge 100K+ectos kinds of prices. It will generally make people happier to be able to have the exact skin and mods they want. I'm looking forward to it, especially for caster weapons, where it was nigh impossible to have a unique skin and good stats at the same time.

On the other hand it will destroy the value of some very valuable weapons that some people have put a lot of effort into obtaining, which seems awfully unfair.

Yes it would be unfair. Very unfair.

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

they will make a ton of farmer bots instantly less rich at the same time giving the casual little guy player a realistic chance of having something nice that they can get rather than just window shop.

it will also hurt the ebay/gold seller market

this is good for the game

Collectors items anyone? O not good enough for you? Work for nicer skins then as nice skins dont make you a better player.

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

I only see good things coming from this... unless you enjoy ripping people off, then you might feel stabbed at here.

Be sure the 15^50 inscription price for swords/axes in particular will still be costly... but this is good news as Ive been one to keep a few rare items that arent quite perfect yet...

staff mods will be hot.

I wonder if shield mods can be transfered?

How is owning nice items ripping of people :S ???

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Originally Posted by EternalTempest

Will not affect me at all with the way I play except give me easier access to better weapons.
I'm looking forward to being able to do this.

Maybe you should ask for FOW armor to be achieved easier / quicker? What about faster faction? Instant lvl 20 chars? All towns unlocked? Expensive items do not give you a advantage over collectors. They are a luxury just like fow armor.

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Originally Posted by darrylhaines

I totally agree with you Gloryfox, everyone who thinks it's a bad idea is someone who trades high end gear for lots of gold and now there going to see this go down the drain they feel cheated, but to the rest of us (The oh so vast majority) we now have a chance of actually getting some good weapons/mods, etc.

I think I know why there doing this. There's no need for a auction house now, if everyone can afford (even after a little farming) what they want.

Anet, I solute your craftiness lol

*Sigh* Perfect gold items are dirt cheap anyway. Only rare items are high end but perfect inherent gold items are dirt cheap.

10/10 staffs = 10k ish
10/10 wands = 10k ish
10/20 staffs = 10-20k
20/20 staffs 20-30k
15>50 swords = 5k
15>50 axe = 5k
15>50 hammer = 5k
15>50 bow = 5k
all of the above can be bought for around that in gold, max dmg and with usable req.

You already have a chance to get good gold items. What you will get is good rare items cheaply.

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

substitute HARDCORE FARMER and you are right.

the most people who will/are screaming are hardcore farmers who see a big drop in prices they can charge.

so a big increase in nice items the casual player can afford is bad for the game?

giving all those people who havent farmed 100k plus ectos just to get something they really want but cant afford is bad?

join the other hardcores who have left as this will shake out a few more hardcore and open the door for a ton of casual players

They have collectors and common perfect golds already. If they want it they should work for it. Maybe they should not have to work for fow armor or faction, how about instant titles? as fow armor and titles just like rare gold items is purely a luxury. clean or imperfect rare items can be bought cheaply and the difference between 14>50 and 15>50 is virtually nothing.

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Originally Posted by Twonaiver

i read a thread these days with lots of price check guru staff who were almost in tears for this, state was it was goin to ruin the economy, but i think this is the best anet ever though to get the prices to go down, they were anger becouse of theyr brute swords with 7req and perfect mods, they bought for 700k, in deep this will get the non farmer to have what he payed for on the game, as a regular non farmer player i never got my gold further than 100k witch in most cases go to my 15k armors. [its impossible for me to buy something as a perfect storm bow, now im sure ill have one.
as anet made me question my faith on factions it was restored now, and my preorder is on the way.

i love you anet, you get my money anytime

Guess they payed for fow armor too, fame and rank? titles? all towns? faction? where does it end. Last time i checked 15>50 high req storm bows cost barely anything. 14>50 ones could be bought for a few k.

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Originally Posted by Alleji

This will kill the high-end economy completely. The increase in rare drops around the time when factions came out already significantly nerfed it, leaving only very few items as "high-end". Now there won't be any.

I don't see that as a good thing. Casual players had their greens for 10k apiece. Hardcore players had perfect golds for 100k+, in some cases for 1mil+. What was wrong with that?

Now you'll be able to buy a gold max crystalline (100-200k?), but a 15^50 mod for it, whatever that may be worth... somewhere from 10 to 25k I guess and have your "ultra-rare" weapon. Of course, now I'll be able to make myself a +5 energy eternal bow (I don't think these can drop naturally) but so will thousands of other people. Part of me doesn't like this change, because it kills the game for some harcore PvE people...

And no, i'm not one of the uber-rich people whining. I'd call myself upper-middle class in terms of GW. The most expensive weapon I have is a 10/10 ghostly staff, so I don't have much to lose with the update. I still don't like it much.

Word to that. Prices for items and the inherent mods will fall and fall meaning less and less work is needed. What after that? PVP, armor? What if you dont like pvp and have all the armor you want.

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Originally Posted by gene terrodon

I think it will be good for the game.
It will balance the economy (no more 100K+ ecto stormbows) and help put everyone on equal footing, as casual players can afford perfect weapons.

IMO the biggest complaints will come, not from hardcore farmers (more than anything, they farm for gold), but the elitists. The ones who like to spam what weapons they have constantly and brag how they are rich and have this and that on their other toons. They will have to find another way display their "stature."

Kudos Anet for killing 2 birds with one stone.

They already can afford perfect gold items as you can pick up tons of usable ones for under 10k.

I can continue to display my stature. Ill just go round showing people a max out trade window or buying fow armor for every single char I have. I can still show off and be elitest

Although I dont like showing off and is why I didnt post in that thread in riverside where everyone else is.

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

what was wrong with that is only a few ultra hardcore farmer/traders OR the ones that hit the reset jackpot could afford the really nice things.

now the VAST MAJORITY of the peasents can have a piece of the cake and not just green crumbs.

the vast majority of the screamers are rich farmer/traders who forsee their future profits way down

I was never a hardcore trader or used the reset. gold can be made casually and easily. I still make very nice deals and I dont even play much anymore.

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Okay. The "casual" player can use PERFECT collectors items and greens!

The casual player already has access to perfect stats items.

Also, believe it or not, the 14^50 axe/sword is not a piece of crap. It is like, .7 damage different per swing (which is so small, it is often rounded down by the guild wars damage system).

People who compain about not being able to afford the uber items don't deserve them because they don't "need" them to be competitive. You paid for this game. You should play it and work for it if you want that 15^50 gothic axe. Everything shouldn't just be handed to them.

People who are supporting this by saying the current system is unfair to casual players have apparently never bothered with collectors/crafter items cause "they aren't gold so they are crap."

People like me who have spent over 1000 hours playing this game and NOT as a hardcore farmer (but by simply playing missions, opening chests, FF, HA, Tombs, UW, FoW, etc), have acquired some nice stuff over time.

"Green" crumbs"? Are you kidding me? You complain that items with perfect stats (granted many combinations don't exist, but as more and more expansions come out, there will be a lot more variety with greens), aren't good enough for you?

You don't need perfect brute swords/fellblades/etc. You have access to katanas, dadoa swords, cleavers, and more.

What are the people who do have money and all the skills and armor they want going to do now? This will ruin the economy because all the upper level people will just start putting money into materials like ectos and shards. It will cause armor materials and dye to sky rocket cause their is nothing left to invest in.

Word. Nice to see some people understand what will happen and are not blinded by jealousy.

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Originally Posted by R3LIC

i see quite a few people don't like this idea. i somewhat agree. people like the prestige of having that hard to get weapon/mod combo.

if this is to happen, i would like to see another color added for items (perhaps red) to show that the inherent mod has been changed.

this would mean if u have a gold crystalline sword and put a 15^50 on it, it will then be a red crystalline sword.

this would be good because people would still pay more (maybe not as much as now) for high end gold items.

Nice idea.

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

I currently uses only green/collector's item, and it doesn't put me at a disadvantage at all compare to all those people with 15>50 Fellblade and other junk.

So what if casual players can't afford whatever 100k+ecto weapon they want?
They have GREENS for 20k or so, and if they don't even have that, they have COLLECTOR'S weapon which cost less than 2k and the mods can be easily obtained by yourself.

The only reason I find that people are constantly whining about gold weapons' price is: Jealousy. They don't want other people to have a flashier weapon that's possibly be even weaker than the collector's one.

It puts you at a massive disadvantage. The best weapons to own stat wise are rare skinned ones.

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Originally Posted by supaet

relax people, I don't know how they going to implement it yet. But 15^50 mods will be bad for the game. I'm speaking for poor casual pvers. Think about it, if you really want a 100k+xx ecto item, work hard and get it. Think about how much you feel when your character holding a weapon that you worked for. It has value of 100k+xx ecto. You just made 15k. but suddenly, that's enough for you to buy the item. You bought it. What will you think? "yah...I got the item that I dreamed for 15k" "it's so cheap now, everyone can get it for 15k" "this skin is so cool, everyone who have 15k can buy it" "i'm wielding xxx, the other dude: "that's only worth 15k, so what, I have a ton"

Now, would you still want it to be 15k? when something decrease in value, you want it less, and when you get it, you're not as happy. Anet please, dont make poor people like me feel bad, thank you

Good point.

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Originally Posted by 4thVariety

imho, the game will diversify because your skin of choice is no longer totally out of reach. we will see more chestrunning to obtain perfect inscriptions.
ultra-hig priced items will loose their value, but on the low end prices will soar.
req.7 will be the new must-have.

hopefully staffs will be upgradeable as well. casters would really be glad to finnaly be able to get a decent raven-staff or rare skin staff they can upgrade.

I have bought perfect raven staffs multiple times for 10-20k.

So much for heroes ascent rewards. Most will be worthless.

I think most people are jealous anyway. Those perfect collectors or common skinned gold items are so inferior to the rare skinned one O.o

All it would do is force me to buy nerfed items. Ill most probably just buy unconditional weapons which give the user an advantage and are real unbalanced

UndeadRoadkill · Sep 20, 2006, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by |pyro|

now the only thing that will seperate the elite from crowds is FoW armor

I thought titles were supposed to do that. What's so 'elite' about farming?

Horseman Of War · Sep 20, 2006, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

"Green" crumbs"? Are you kidding me? You complain that items with perfect stats (granted many combinations don't exist, but as more and more expansions come out, there will be a lot more variety with greens), aren't good enough for you?

what I think he was implying is that there are plenty of people out there who look at (most) green items as a second rate substitute for a 'special skin' item of equal worth.... zodiacs, celestials, jade/ambers are what people really want- its about showing off your nice items.

I dont have enough to buy a perfect Crystalline Sword, and even if I spend the next 6 months in the underworld/tombs Id be lucky to get a gold one, let alone one with perfect stats.

Plus, you cant mod a green-> which makes them basically like a Name Brand apparel... sure two-stripe and three-stripe may fit the same, but all the cool kids wear three-stripe.

It is an indisputable fact that style is, for some people, just as big in the game as skill... dare I say even bigger..?

I mean hey- Im not going to say that I dont like my greens n perfect collectors- But in the long run, we want something unique- and the ability to craft our OWN ideal "pefect" item is much cooler sounding than just finding one that 'works'. It will reduce grind in addition to its effect on the economy. I dont see a reason why ANYTHING should be 100k+ectos..... cept maybe Shiro, Rurik, Bone Dragon etc because you cant farm for them (well technically you could... get a bunch of drone accounts and let it set for a year... nvm im retarded)

|pyro| · Sep 20, 2006, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

I thought titles were supposed to do that. What's so 'elite' about farming?

Am, skill? Skills + equpiment needed, you need experience to farm hard lvl areas, as you farm them you get higher experience and knowlede about skills and ggame mehancis and combos, at least i did, but i gues, first day playes figure ggame mehanics also.

AnnaCloud9 · Sep 20, 2006, 08:18 PM // 20:18

This will allow individuals to further customize their character's appearance, without relying on people dictating how much it's going to cost them. So what if someone else has an identical "looking" weapon. To be honest, when was the last time you zoomed in on someone else in town to see their fabulous weapon collection? Oh wait, you can't

And the last time in battle? If you did, I'd hope you were paying more attention to what's going on around you and your party.
So, let everyone customize their character as they choose, it will never effect that character's chances of survival.

As far as who has the best weapon...well that's been answered a million times. No one has the best weapon in guild wars, regardless of what people think is 'rare' or 'perfect'.

Don't mix desire with performance. Because when you die, you'll look just as dead holding the 15^50 chaos axe as you would holding the 15^50 cleaver. But you won't be dying as a result of either.

Clawdius_Talonious · Sep 20, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by AnnaCloud9

As far as who has the best weapon...well that's been answered a million times. No one has the best weapon in guild wars, regardless of what people think is 'rare' or 'perfect'.

Don't mix desire with performance. Because when you die, you'll look just as dead holding the 15^50 chaos axe as you would holding the 15^50 cleaver. But you won't be dying as a result of either.

^^^
Gets it

I always enjoyed, when Green items were first introduced and people would call their wep's name, calling "I am using a PVP ___ and a PVP ____"... After all my weapon has max mods and is just as useful, it's just not as pretty.

Loviatar · Sep 20, 2006, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

I think most people are jealous anyway. Those perfect collectors or common skinned gold items are so inferior to the rare skinned one O.o
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and Anet is going to do what it takes to make *most* people happy.

they are slowly but surely bringing the economy back under some control.

remember the panic sale of sigels when they increased the drop rate so guild halls were more reasonable?

remember the cries of im losing my 100k super absorbs?

they are making the game more accessable to their target buying audience which is MMO-LITE not hardcore anything.

other improvements are surely on the way as well